Well the bad news for you all is that when I was in hospital I had very little to do but think so I have loads of "things" I need help with - heres the first. And thank you in advance pony geniuses.

Ok I know German releases are a little difficult to quantify sometimes and whether or not they are nirvanas due them being hk/china made makes it a debate in itself on whether or not they are nirvana but....I thought I would have more luck with this post in this forum than over in the corral so here we go.

Can you help me complete this list of "German" ponies and what makes them different from regular US releases? [If it says pad pend its cause thats the only difference I can think of]

Alternates
Moonstone - matt symbols
Starshine - matt symbols, alternate pose
Starshine - glittery symbols, alternate pose
Skydancer - matt symbols, alternate pose
Baby Blossom - pat pend
Baby Cotton Candy - pat pend
Baby Moondancer - matt symbols
Baby Glory - matt symbols
Baby Surprise - matt symbols
Baby Firefly - matt symbols
Flutterbye - matt symbols square
Flutterbye - matt symbols round
Speedy - lighter body colour
Tex - pat pend
Slugger - pat pend
4 Speed - pat pend
Quarterback - pat pend
Salty - pat pend
Steamer - pat pend
Princess Tiffany - hair colour
Princess Serena - hair colour
Princess Starburst - hair colour
Princess Primrose - hair colour
Princess Royal Blue - hair colour
Princess Sparkle - hair colour
Milky Way - matt and colour symbols
Coco Berry - hair colour
Swirly Whirly - hair colour
Baby Starbow - hair colour
Sweet Pocket - hair colour
Pretty Beat - hair colour
Sweet Clover - body colour
Baby Lemon Drop - alternate pose
Baby Gusty - NBBE
Baby Lickety Split - NBBE
Baby Ribbon - NBBE
Baby Heart Throb w wings on hearts - NBBE
Baby Heart Throb w no wings on hearts - NBBE
Baby Starburst - hair colour
Baby Splashes - hair colour

Unique
Nightlight - large symbol
Nightlight - small symbol
Raindrop - large symbol
Raindrop - small symbol
Pink Baby [having a name blank today]
Wulferchen
Yellow Baby [having a name blank today]
Baby Buttons

Thanks again peeps

Cat

Hi Cat.

I have a Baby Firefly or Surprise (can't remember which) with a Glitter Symbol and is missing Pat Pend. Speedy is missing Pat Pend as well. There is also Wig Wam & Chief missing Pat Pend (I think all the BB's have non Pat Pend versions). Baby Cherries Jubilee & Baby Honeycomb are German as well. The Baby Heart Throb without hearts I thought was UK only.

I hope that helps a bit!!

--Danielle

ooops - i forgot about hscotch and cherries! was sure i typed that as well

thanks for the info on the other big bros!! fantastic

Cat

These ponies aren't German, and are just European as a whole:

Milky Way - matt and colour symbols
Baby Starbow - hair colour
Sweet Pocket - hair colour
Pretty Beat - hair colour
Baby Gusty - NBBE
Baby Lickety Split - NBBE
Baby Ribbon - NBBE
Baby Heart Throb w no wings on hearts - NBBE
Baby Starburst - hair colour
Baby Splashes - hair colour

However there are also normal looking princess ponies with the pat pend missing that are German

I bought a Wigwam and Steamer some time ago - they are Pat Pending only!
IDing some of these ponies out there is a real challenge! Too many - Too tempting!

just wanted to say : Slugger, Quarterback and 4Speed were never sold in Germany.
You made a nice list though
The [pink baby] and the [yellow baby] are Baby Blubberchen and Baby Schlummerlein. The blue one from this set is called Baby Würfelchen, not Baby Wulferchen.

Henpatch wrote:

I bought a Wigwam and Steamer some time ago - they are Pat Pending only! IDing some of these ponies out there is a real challenge! Too many - Too tempting!

I'll dig out my non Pat Pend Wig Wam and get pics for you. I also gave one to PKW in the UK Ponycon swap as well as a non Pat Pend 4-Speed to her as well. I'll ask her to take pictures. I don't know if they were sold or not there however why would they be missing the Pat Pend marks (all were acquired from my friend in Bremen).

EDIT - Here's the picture:


--Danielle

interesting, Sugarminty - because I thought the same - them 3 BB were never sold in Germany, but then Danielle told me that 4-Speed was...
I am still a little confused, but maybe someone else thinks he has been released in Germany...

sparkler xx

As Lady G said the NBBE babies are not german but European.
(I had NBBE baby Licket Split as a child so she was definately sold both outside UK and Germany.)

As for NBBE baby Heart trob, the one without wings on the hearts is a UK exclusive (one of the few ponies that actually IS a UK exclusive and not European)
The one with wings on the hearts is a European version and not german. She was sold up here as well, and seem to be the more common one of the two (since she was sold in more then just one country)

And dont forget about baby Honeycomb. She is a german exclusive

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I don't know if they were sold or not there however why would they be missing the Pat Pend marks

all ponies made after a certain time is lacking the pat pend mark (ponies made after the patent was granted) so the lack of pat pend is not a reliable sign to see if a pony is german or not.
The ponies made during the time the patent was granted is often seen in both versions, and as Europe where slightly later in the releases then the US, Europe often got the versions without the pat pend, as they where made a little later.
I belive that the boys without the pat pend is European rather then German ponies. I've heard from other swedish collectors that we had both the pat pend and non pat pend version of the boys up here.

I have Locket MOC on a German card and the only difference I can see is she doesn't have pat pend and she came with a different comb

Here's her backcard I'm assuming the ponies on the backcard are the other's available in Germany?

Steamer - pat pend German version darker/purple
Chief - pat pend & diff color eyes and diff color bandana
Barnacle - pat pend & diff color eyes

oh - now you ve got me thinking - someone posted a difference between pad pend and no pad pend fizzy recently - different eye colour shade i think

princess locket does your no pat pend locket have a different shade of eyes from pat pend release?

hathorcat wrote:

oh - now you ve got me thinking - someone posted a difference between pad pend and no pad pend fizzy recently - different eye colour shade i think princess locket does your no pat pend locket have a different shade of eyes from pat pend release?

No - I just compared her to another Locket in good light and they seem identical apart from foot stamp

Oh crap! I forgot to add German Baby Blossom to my list!!!
*smacks head*
Thank you for reminding me.

I can verify that Tex IS one of the BB's sold in Germany, I've got one. There does seem to be a bit of confusion on that topic though, doesn't there?

salemsparkler wrote:

interesting, Sugarminty - because I thought the same - them 3 BB were never sold in Germany, but then Danielle told me that 4-Speed was... I am still a little confused, but maybe someone else thinks he has been released in Germany... sparkler xx

Some ponies made it to Germany, tough they have not been released here. A friend found english carded ponywear in a german shop, another found Parasol with glittery symbols in a german shop (as a child). Some ponies have been brought to Germany, maybe by foreign soldiers (we had a lot back in the 80th) or were bought on vacation. No need to be confused. I am sure, there was no planned release of the 3 boys here, but maybe one or two made it to Germany on another way