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SPOTLIGHT on...........Argentina
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Spotlight on: ARGENTINA

[img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349180&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img]
Argentina%20ponies%20are%20some%20of%20the%20most%20diverse%20and%20colorful%20ponies%20ever%20produced.%20They%20were%20produced%20throughout%20the%201980s%20in%20the%20Argentina%20factory,%20Top%20Toys,%20under%20license%20from%20Hasbro.%20 A%20lot%20of%20Argentina%20ponies%20have%20quite%20soft%20bodies%20while%20others%20are%20harder%20and%20more%20solid,%20they%20have%20lovely%20shiny%20and%20smooth%20hair.%20They%20came%20on%20cards%20that%20rarely%20had%20the%20ponies%20name%20on%20it,%20but%20rather%20a%20generic%20card%20for%20most%20adults%20or%20babies.%20They%20also%20often%20come%20in%20alternate%20colours%20to%20the%20Hong%20Kong,%20varient%20range%20of%20winger%20ponies.%20 [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349172&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] What%20makes%20them%20so%20special? The%20Argentina%20name%20guarantees%20a%20huge%20range%20of%20colors%20and%20poses%20and%20until%20a%20few%20years%20ago%20they%20were%20very%20hard%20to%20come%20by,%20but%20with%20the%20good%20prices%20they%20were%20fetching%20many%20sellers%20from%20Argentina%20went%20searching%20for%20ponies%20to%20sell%20mainly%20on%20ebay.%20Now%20the%20supply%20is%20better,%20prices%20have%20dropped,%20though%20some%20are%20still%20very%20hard%20to%20find. How%20do%20you%20identify%20an%20Argentina%20pony? The%20babies%20and%20wingers%20are%20generally%20stamped%20Argentina,%20but%20only%20a%20few%20of%20the%20adult%20ponies%20have%20the%20country%20stamp%20and%20are%20more%20of%20a%20mystery.%20Usually%20the%20adults%20have%20a%20two%20digit%20date%20stamp%20on%20one%20foot,%20with%20the%20name%20Hasbro%20on%20the%20same%20foot%20and%20nothing%20on%20the%20other%20feet. Adult%20foot%20markings: [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349184&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] Baby%20foot%20markings: [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349168&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] Here%20is%20a%20typical%20Argentina%20eye: [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349186&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] What%20ponies%20are%20there? There%20are%20hundreds%20of%20ponies,%20probably%20the%20biggest%20range%20of%20any%20country.%20Sets%20include%20collector%20poses,%20Paseo%20(trotting)%20poses,%20unicorns%20and%20pegasi,%20wingers,%20first%20tooth,%20sparkle,%20dance%20and%20prance%20and%20many%20more.%20There%20were%20also%20a%20few%20individual%20ponies,%20such%20as%20the%20Wedding%20Pony%20and%20the%20Christmas%20pony.%20The%20adults%20seem%20to%20come%20in%20the%20biggest%20variety%20but%20there%20are%20lots%20of%20baby%20ponies%20too,%20for%20example%20the%20Arco%20Iris%20range%20which%20feature%20a%20rainbow%20as%20a%20symbol%20and%20come%20in%20three%20colors. Although%20some%20ponies%20are%20recognisable%20as%20their%20counterpart,%20they%20usually%20differ%20either%20in%20symbol%20or%20colouring,%20for%20example%20the%20Glory%20that%20comes%20in%20a%20peachy%20orange%20colour,%20or%20the%20Christmas%20pony%20that%20has%20a%20different%20symbol%20to%20Merry%20Treats.%20Twinkle%20Eyed%20ponies%20were%20sold%20in%20Argentina,%20but%20they%20were%20made%20without%20the%20feature%20that%20made%20them%20so%20special%20in%20the%20US%20and%20other%20countries.%20Some%20Argentina%20ponies%20are%20even%20barely%20related%20to%20US%20ponies,%20like%20the%20yellow%20baby%20Fancy%20Pants%20pony%20that%20has%20maple%20leaves%20on%20nappy.%20There%20are%20too%20many%20Argentina%20ponies%20to%20list%20them%20all!%20%20 There%20are%20also%20some%20ponies%20that%20appear%20in%20more%20than%20one%20set,%20for%20example%20Flutterbye%20(by%20symbol)%20Here%20are%20nine%20versions%20of%20Argie%20Flutterbye%20but%20there%20are%20even%20more%20than%20the%20ones%20pictured.%20They%20cover%20a%20number%20of%20different%20sets. [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349178&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] %20Where%20were%20they%20sold? Argentina%20and%20some%20surrounding%20South%20America%20countries. How%20were%20they%20sold? They%20were%20sold%20similar%20to%20how%20many%20US%20ponies%20were%20sold,%20on%20cards%20with%20plastic%20bubbles.%20Argentina%20cards%20tend%20to%20not%20hold%20up%20very%20well%20and%20can%20often%20damage%20the%20pony%20on%20the%20card.%20As%20a%20result,%20this%20means%20it%20is%20often%20a%20good%20idea%20to%20remove%20them.%20There%20were%20a%20few%20ponies%20sold%20in%20boxes,%20like%20the%20Wedding%20Pony%20and%20the%20Dance%20and%20Prance%20ponies.%20 In%20many%20cases%20(especially%20babies),%20the%20backcard%20does%20not%20correspond%20to%20the%20set%20the%20pony%20belongs%20to.%20Sometimes%20this%20is%20remedied%20by%20a%20sticker%20over%20part%20of%20the%20card.%20 How%20much%20do%20they%20cost? Prices%20do%20vary%20a%20lot%20with%20the%20baby%20ones%20being%20the%20most%20affordable,%20even%20MOC%20Argie%20baby%20ponies%20can%20be%20purchased%20for%20as%20little%20as%20$30%20and%20rarely%20make%20more%20than%20$70.%20Adult%20ponies%20range%20from%20$40%20to%20around%20$120.%20Carded%20or%20not%20seems%20to%20make%20little%20difference%20to%20the%20price%20as%20for%20some%20time%20MOC%20were%20easier%20to%20get%20hold%20of%20than%20loose.%20 [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349164&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img][img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349166&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] Trivia: *%20Dream%20Valley%20has%20claimed%20there%20is%20a%20yellow%20pony%20with%20green%20hair%20and%20butterflies%20called%20'Prettybow'%20that%20came%20with%20the%20Pretty%20Parlour:%20http://dreamvalley-mlp.com/international_early.html#prettybow.%20However,%20she%20is%20not%20a%20German%20pony%20at%20all,%20but%20instead%20one%20of%20the%20many%20Argentina%20Flutterbye%20variants!%20She%20did%20not%20come%20with%20a%20parlour,%20and%20there%20is%20no%20cat%20named%20'Sterne.' Thanks%20to%20StrawberryFair17%20for%20her%20picture%20donation%20to%20the%20Nirvana%20Gallery. [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349182&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] *There%20is%20a%20range%20of%20so%20called%20bootleg%20Argie%20ponies%20for%20sale.%20These%20are%20stamped%20Hasbro,%20Argentina%2084%20but%20it%20is%20not%20known%20if%20they%20were%20even%20produced%20as%20long%20ago%20as%20that,%20let%20alone%20if%20they%20are%20genuine.%20Top%20Toys%20has%20been%20known%20to%20use%20old%20toy%20moulds%20and%20redesign%20the%20product%20when%20they%20could%20not%20renew%20their%20license%20to%20reproduce%20certain%20toy%20lines.%20They%20have%20also%20done%20this%20with%20a%20line%20of%20action%20figures.%20Sometimes%20these%20redesigned%20toys%20are%20called%20variants,%20as%20in%20this%20auction. [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349170&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349174&g2_serialNumber=1&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img] *Bootleg%20G3's%20have%20been%20found%20in%20Argentina.%20Pretty%20bold%20to%20even%20put%20the%20MLP%20name%20on%20the%20box!%20 [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=349161&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=d5144edc85d007805c45a44954399110[/img]

*There is some speculation that some ponies have been re-carded particularly the baby ones as their cards can often look not only different to the original card, but also are quite poorly done, and the pony inside can seem somewhat "second hand".

*One of the many stories about Argentina ponies suggests that the employees of the pony making factory were allowed to dabble in the pony making, thus maybe explaining why there are so many "one off" ponies

Useful weblinks:
www.ba-toymuseum.com.ar/

www.angelfire.com/art/...index.html

hometown.aol.com/argos...ntina.html

www.mlparena.com/galle...album1298/



My thanks go to Bob Frassinetti for the interview below, LadyGuinevere and BridgetsMum.

(edit to add water marked pictures love pkw Smile )
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There's soooooo many Argie ponies! I would love to see other people post their pics!

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Wow, I had no idea there were so many Argies! I really like them.

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Yay Argentina ponies! I love my Argie rainbow babies, and Argie Buttons has the most wonderful colors. The Brillitos are also really cool.

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They're right... the G3s look cheap.

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I think I recall when Argie 'bootleg' ponies appeared on Ponytopia that it was said that they are not knock-offs but actually produced under licence from Hasbro. Hence why they have used the actual MLP logo.

See link below (it says brazil but the info on the web page says South America so I presume these were sold in Argentina aswell...

www.ponytopia.com/2005...brazil.htm
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Jemofirongate wrote:
I think I recall when Argie 'bootleg' ponies appeared on Ponytopia that it was said that they are not knock-offs but actually produced under licence from Hasbro. Hence why they have used the actual MLP logo.

See link below (it says brazil but the info on the web page says South America so I presume these were sold in Argentina aswell...

www.ponytopia.com/2005...brazil.htm

Those are brazilians, and where found only in Brazil and Mexico so far
The argie bootleg ponies are in the shape and size of a normal pony, those are way bigger


I really like the argie ponies, their colors are lovely <3 And it was a great idea to interview an employee of the toy museum!

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wow that is such a wonderful information pack on the argi ponies!! and i love the flutterbye ones!!

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Wow!! this is a wonderful job, with so much info and great pics.
Would be nice if other members post their pics of the different argies as there are so many different ones.

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ok guys and gals you were asking for pictures of other argies for clarification. i will attempt not to confuse anyone..... Sleepy so here are some pics of mine with a brief expanation of the ponies pictured. i hope i help rather than hinder.

this%20is%20my%20moc%20confetti.%20this%20is%20a%20variant%20of%20the%20green%20and%20blue%20confetti%20seen%20earlier,%20there%20is%20also%20another%20in%20white%20as%20well.%20this%20is%20one%20of%20the%20more%20unusual%20collector%20ponies,%20you%20can%20also%20gt%20all%20the%20more%20normal%20release%20collector%20pose%20ponies%20as%20well there%20is%20also%20an%20unusual%20collector%20variant%20of%20melody,%20lickety%20split%20and%20sweet%20stuff.%20i%20%20cant%20remember%20the%20others%20of%20the%20top%20of%20my%20head this%20is%20my%20moc%20paseo%20(trotting%20or%20as%20i%20like%20to%20call%20it%20posey%20pose!)%20armonia she%20is%20a%20variant%20of%20medley%20and%20as%20you%20can%20see%20is%20hugely%20different%20from%20the%20usual%20us/uk%20release.%20her%20card,%20if%20you%20look%20carefully%20also%20has%20the%20stickers%20mentioned%20earlier%20over%20serveral%20bits%20of%20hte%20card;-the%20name%20in%20the%20top%20left%20corner%20and%20the%20set%20under%20the%20title. this%20is%20the%20sundance%20from%20the%20brillitos%20set,%20these%20are%20the%20argentinian%20equivalent%20of%20the%20sparkle%20ponies%20with%20a%20glittery%20body.%20Yet%20again%20the%20card%20is%20stickered%20over these%20are%202%20ponies%20from%20the%20arco%20iris%20line,%20this%20is%20like%20the%20rainbow%20ponies%20in%20this%20country%20although%20the%20ponies%20themselves%20are%20not%20usually%20rainbow%20ponies.%20(some%20of%20the%20set%20like%20windy%20are%20still%20rainbow%20haired%20although%20they%20still%20barely%20resemble%20the%20normal%20release)%20these%20ponies%20are%20the%20argie%20buttons%20mentioned%20above,%20and%20skyflier,%20i%20dont%20know%20if%20this%20is%20normal%20for%20the%20whole%20line%20as%20i%20am%20still%20waiting%20on%20some%20of%20them%20to%20arrive%20from%20argentina%20but%20these%202%20both%20have%20a%20harder%20body this%20is%20the%20green%20pony%20from%20the%20rock%20n%20beat%20set.%20there%20are%20only%202%20in%20the%20set,%20the%20other%20being%20an%20orange%20earth%20pony%20in%20shy%20pose these%20are%202%20random%20unicorns%20one%20is%20sparkler%20who%20is%20unfortunately%20not%20in%20great%20condition,%20the%20other%20is%20powder.%20it%20is%20important%20to%20release%20that%20there%20are%20many%20variants%20even%20in%20this.%20sparkler%20there%20are%202%20or%203%20other%20variants%20with%20a%20different%20colour%20scheme%20all%20together.%20as%20far%20as%20i%20am%20aware%20this%20is%20the%20only%20powder%20variant also%20in%20rather%20poor%20condition,%20firefly%20who%20is%20almost%20entirely%20'normal'%20looking%20her%20symbol%20would%20have%20been%20non%20glittery. here%20are%20the%20only%20helados%20ponies%20that%20i%20am%20aware%20of.%20they%20are%20all%20lickety%20split%20variants.%20i%20think%20of%20them%20as%20vanilla%20strawberry%20and%20chocolate!%20all%20three%20of%20mine%20have%20argentina%20stamped%20on%20their%20feet%20as%20well.

now for the babies.....
above are some moc examples the more common and easier to find drink and et and fancy pants; there are also peek a boo babies which are relatively easy to get hold of. if you are loking for a starting point for collecting argentinian ponies i would suggest these as a good place to start!
there are alsorainbow babies which i do nto have any of but which are slightly harder to find than the above
after this even more difficult to find are the first tooth and the 'baby blossom' pose. the baby blossom pose babies are earlier in the mlp time line than the first tooths. and many of the first tooth babies are remakes of the earlier releases. so here you can see 2 variants of baby confetti.

this is all i can think of at the moment but if anything doesnt make sense let me know and ill edit it is very early here as i write this.
it also doesnt help that i dont have the best collection of argentinians myself! anyway hope ive helped a few people get to grips with all the different sets available
if anyone would like a scan of the back of the cards do not hesitate to ask, there is a really cute thing about how to plait the ponies hair on the back of the adult ones!

Taz x

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leaper, awesome job! I learned so much about Argentina ponies.


daggar3 love your Argies! So many unique and pretty ones! May I ask how long you've been collecting and how many ponies you have? Smile


Here are some baby Argie highlights from my collection. Smile

[img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/233739-2/DSC04970.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img][img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/233729-2/DSC03604.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img] [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/233749-2/PICT0008_001.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img][img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/235257-2/IMG_3906.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img] Some%20adults [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/61418-2/IMG_0804.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img][img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/232988-2/IMG_3750.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img] [img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/232994-2/IMG_3757.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img][img]http://www.mlparena.com/gallery2/d/233566-2/IMG_3823.JPG?g2_GALLERYSID=d23da47554e7e929a95a153b9631eb60[/img]

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PostPosted: 0    Post subject: Re: SPOTLIGHT on...........Argentina

wow id kill for those last few in your pics bm especially the tafs! lol ive been collecting nirvana ponies for a year but more seriously within the past few months.

my favourite nirvanas are argentinian ponies because i like the unusual colours and different colour schemes

i dont have many although in total my argies total a small 22

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Wow Daggar! that's a impressive collection *drools*

And BM, that baby Ribbs of your is to die for In Love

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PostPosted: 0    Post subject: Re: SPOTLIGHT on...........Argentina

So cool you guys. I didn't realise how exstensive pnoy collecting could reach! You could collect Ponies forever!

I like these Argentianian Ponies and I read the sentence about how they're cheap as far as Nirvana Ponies go nd I got all excited and then it said $30! Heh, I wasn't expecting that. I geuss I won't even try collecting any Nirvanas. =/

Cool Thread though, I love it! Big Ups
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PostPosted: 0    Post subject: Re: SPOTLIGHT on...........Argentina

Very Nice Leaper Smile
Here are pictures of
4 of my adult Argie
Moondancers.
The Pink and Blue were MOC
when purchased, but were released :nervous:
by me Satisfied
As you can see even a MOC Argie can have marks and spots as in the blue Moondancer.

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